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女性选票传说

Nov 15, 2016 Heather Hurlburt

华盛顿—在应该从最近的美国总统大选中消灭的糟粕中，有一个是“女性选票”的概念。

看起来好像很奇怪，只有54%的女选民把票投给了历史上第一位主要政党总统提名人希拉里·克林顿。然而，尽管性别是美国人看待某些问题的重要标记，但它并非如何投票的最佳指标。看起来，女候选人面临的不是单一性别差距，而是多重性别差距。

诚然，肤浅地研究过去的选举结果表明，男性和女性选民之间总体而言存在巨大且持久的差异。据皮尤研究公司（Pew Research），最近一次男性和女性选民投票结果相同的总统选举时1976年吉米·卡特与杰拉德·福特之间的竞争。在今年的选举中，女性以12个百分点的优势更支持克林顿，而男性以同样的优势更支持特朗普。2000年，男性支持小布什的优势为11个百分点，2008年和2012年，女性支持奥巴马的优势分别为13和11个百分点；但到目前为止，我们从未发现两个方向同时出现两位数差距。

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Gail Johnson Nov 20, 2016

Hillary and the American people have been beaten by the Electoral College. Period.

Hillary won those under 40.
Hillary won those earning less than $50,000 and those earning less than $100,000.
Hillary won unmarried women, married women and unmarried men
Hillary won the nonwhites by a thumping great margin.
And according to the CNN actual election results, she’s got 1.3 million more votes than Trump. A full percentage point lead.

By way of illustration, there are 3.1 million people in North Dakota, Wyoming and Nebraska, and these three very white states together have 11 electoral votes. There are 6.6 million people in Massachusetts and they have 11 electoral votes. (Yes, Mr. Trump, the election is rigged.)

This is the second time within the past 5 elections the people's choice failed to become President because of the Electoral College. This should be a no brainer to fix except for the fact the Republicans largely don't believe in democracy.

Why not? Since George H W Bush was electing in 1988, the Republicans have won the popular vote only once - George W. Bush's election in 2004. With only one win in 28 years, they are clinging to the Electoral College while at the same tine they are doing their darnedest to deny the franchise to certain segments of the populations.

Let's have no more talk about what's wrong with the policies of the Democrats. What's wrong with the democrats is the Electoral College. What’s wrong with the Republicans is people don’t like their policies or their candidates.
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Cary Fraser Nov 20, 2016

It might be more useful to assess the polling data on a state-by-state basis to account for voter suppression efforts as a factor in the election - in terms of turnout and weight in the final tallies. It would be premature to assume that electoral participation is not subject to countervailing efforts by local and state authorities.
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J.B. Borne Nov 20, 2016

There will come a day in which minority votes, too, will fall along other lines - most likely, socioeconomic and class. For 2016, the Year of The Awful Candidates, the Democrats had a less appealing standard bearer than the GOP. That the former party is in free fall is barely addressed by many media, but this is a whole other story. For Hillary, those staunch supporters who remind people at every turn that she won the popular vote are comical. Er, what does it matter? Executives who interview top talent for the best jobs know the resume is just a starting point. The person and what he/she can bring to the table in vision and solutions is more compelling. This was a major stumbling point for Mrs. Clinton.
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William Wallace Nov 20, 2016

Notice the panicky peddlers of myth below posting the propaganda they received about this election. Here, for all to see, is the American public giving the single finger salute to fact and reason. Perhaps this is because the facts clearly show the decline of the US relative to other countries is a foregone conclusion, stemming not only from peak industrial output not requiring more labor, or automation, but simply because the starting point post-WWII was a 50% share of world GDP, and impossible level to maintain. This doesn't stop Republicans for citing the anomaly of a ruined post-war world as the paradigm for their greatness. If today's Republicans had reading skills, they might be able to actually discover what real long term trends are in play, or get a grip on the changes coming. Until then, however, it seems we will continue to see this weak-kneed response of lashing out at others to blame them for the policies white voters have been supporting, in the majority, since Reagan. Truth is, it's not opiates that are the major white addiction, is love for Rosy Mirror and her flattery. Like mayflies, their vision is constrained solely to the business of survival, making them certain future victims of those with the ability to take more than today's menu into account.
- J.B. Borne Nov 20, 2016
  
  No offense, Mr. Wallace, but it is attitudes such as yours that could be responsible - at least in part - for Trump's secure victory. You probably consider yourself among the elite thinkers, but you come across more as an angry pontificator. The U.S. is a relatively young Republic and still finding its way. It has fallen well behind in public education, but its universities (including state-supported) are celebrated world-wide. Its economy outpaces that of other countries. Please - no comparisons to Scandinavia and Canada. Those countries' citizens are about 85 percent native-born and highly restrictive on immigration. The U.S. is neither of those. We are a more complex nation in every way.
  Obama's poor showing for eight years is not the fault of George W. Bush or the Republican Party. Democrats have lots not only the House, Senate and Presidency, but countless governorships and state houses, and have stunningly lost ground in other elective posts. What happened? Really, what happened? This is one for you and your puffed-up elites to ponder. Come back to us when you've had sufficient time to study this issue - no, wait, that's a euphemism. It's a problem, not so much for the country as a whole but definitely for the Democratic Party.
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Emanuel Müller Nov 16, 2016

Hillary "veni, vidi, cidi" Clinton was seemingly an imperial figure, while Donald "Golden Throne" Trump is more of a royal/Hussein-like figure. The self-inflicted status of leader of the free world gives the US little chances to get a female president anytime soon, as the leader of troops are usually alpha-males, in other words the various female figures e.g. Merkel and female-like figures e.g. Hollande are subordinates in the super troop of the free world, leading only sub-troops.
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Peter Schaeffer Nov 15, 2016

Hillary acted as Bill's enabler and protector for many years (as he assaulted women at will). She tolerated, aided, and abetted Bill's numerous extramarital affairs. As a consequence, she could not possibly play the women card. Trump brought Bill's and Hillary's victims to one of the debates. Apparently, Hillary was shell-shocked by their appearance. Why is pretty obvious.
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Peter Schaeffer Nov 15, 2016

No one knows who won the popular vote in the U.S. and no one ever will. Here is why. Illegal voters and illegal voters are now commonplace in the U.S. The U.S. has essentially zero mechanisms for detecting and removing illegal votes and voters. Obama went to pains to assure illegal voters that they faced no risks. For some actual data, see See "Do non-citizens vote in U.S. elections?" (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973). Since we will never know the number of illegal voters in 2016, we will never know who really won the popular vote.
This is one of the key reasons we have the electoral college.
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Matthew Abhold Nov 15, 2016

"54% of the female electorate voted for Hillary Clinton..."
No, just no. The electorate is all the people in a country or area who are entitled to vote in an election. The vast majority of the female electorate did not vote for HRC.
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